When I first got sober, I had no working relationship with any God. I asked my Sponsor, " what do I do now?" He told me, " we are going to do what the steps say to do". I told him that Bill stated that Ebby told him to make up a god that you understand to get started. My sponsor told me that remember that Ebby was never a member of AA. So we will go beyond that and work the steps. I said OK, what now. He stated that the step says, "God, as we understood Him, not as I understood Him, not as the speaker understood Him, not as a Priest understood Him", and on and on. So, he asked me to go out and find out what WE UNDERSTAND. I got a note book and started asking people. I would write down what each person understood. After a few weeks, we sat down and went over my notes. He then asked me, "Is there any common thread to all the information you have gathered?" There was! The bottom line was everyone had a higher power who was loving, trustworthy, kind, gentle, forgiving, non judgemental, and available. He asked if I can grab a hold of that and find this power? It was simple. When I was growing up, my mom keep bringing to me the Jesus stuff. Singing to me at night, and praying with me all the time, and that was a good time, and I felt attached to what she was holding me with. So, I just had to go back to the way it was. It was that simple for me. Well that's what worked for me. What worked for you? Time for a cup of coffee, see ya later.
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SOBRIETY OR SALVATION?
ReplyDeleteWe need to realize that we are not ALCOHOLICS in need of SOBRETY; we are SINNERS in need of GOD. We will never find God by trying to clean up our sinful behaviour one piece at a time.This is the wrong method to find true Biblical healing. A Christian does not keep their old clothes and simply sew new patches of unshrunk cloth on them, patching them up as they cleanse each sin.
If they were to do that their clothes would be worse off with the patch, not better! Look at what Jesus said:
"No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved."(Matthew 9:16 - 17)
One of the motivational phrases used in many 12-step programs is, “It don’t work unless you work it.”
ReplyDeleteIn reality they offer a plan of salvation to drunkenness based upon works. They have tried to implement biblical principles upon one sin, rather than the whole, and in doing so they missed the greatest part of the gospel message.
That Christ actually sets you free! If anyone is in Christ he is a new creature, if anyone is in AA they are forever an alcoholic.
"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." - John 8:34-36
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." - Romans 8:1, 2
Alcoholics Anonymous calls their book of the same name, “The Big Book.” This is the basic text for their society and it is referred to as the “book of experience.”
It shares with members the steps to their recovery program and personal stories of the experiences of its members.
Many Christians – One Sober Alcoholic - support and condone these 12 steps programs but a closer look reveals that groups like AA actually function in conflict with Scripture.
ReplyDeleteBelow are reasons why “The Big Book” cannot be used in conjunction with “The Book”, the Holy Bible.
First we must remember that psychology is man’s attempt to solve spiritual problems. Any attempt to excuse, justify or label behavior is an attempt to cover up sin. God’s Word is clear, certain behaviours are sinful, not diseases.
Galatians 5: 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury,
20 Idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects,
21 Envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God.
A.A. AND THE 12 STEPS WERE NEVER OF CHRIST.
ReplyDeleteWhen Dick B. began to chronicle his version of events, some important points were underemphasized or left out.
Unintentionally, surely, but left out nonetheless. A.A. is like a pie. So much went into its origin.
Swedenborgian influence. Spiritualism. New Thought heresies. This was not the purity of Christ, but a toxic, spiritual stew.
ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS CO-FOUNDERS WERE NOT CHRISTIANS.
ReplyDeleteIt is a fearful thing, leaving AA. The Big Book (the AA "bible") states, "We thought we could find an easier, softer way. But we could not."[1]
Because this passage of AA "scripture" is taken literally, alcoholics rarely look elsewhere for help.
Christians continue to jam their God, the Ancient of Days, into AA's chameleon theology.
"Do not participate in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead even expose them." (Ephesians 5:11-12)
BILL WILSON: AGENT FOR SATANIn 1958, Wilson wrote to Sam Shoemaker, Throughout A.A., we find a large amount of psychic phenomena, nearly all of it spontaneous.
ReplyDeleteAlcoholic after alcoholic tells me of such experiences… run nearly the full gamut of everything we see in the books.
In addition to my original mystical experience, I’ve had a lot of such phenomenalism myself. (24)
Wilson’s “original mystical experience” was his alleged “conversion” –a classic occult encounter:
“Suddenly the room lit up with a great white light. I was caught up into an ecstasy…it burst upon me that I was a free man…a wonderful feeling of Presence, and I thought to myself, ‘So this is the God of the preachers! ‘A great peace stole over me….” (25)
This was not the “God of the preachers” but the one who transforms himself “into an angel of light” (2 Cor 1l: l4) - a light that often transforms those involved in the occult.
TWELVE STEPS AWAY FROM CHRIST
ReplyDeleteMr. Bill Wilson, who was heavily influenced by demons, was founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (A.A.) and creator of the twelve-step program.
Chapter sixteen (p. 275f) of 'Pass It On' The Story of Bill Wilson and how the A.A. message reached the world records Mr. Wilson's use of the ouija board, participation in séances, psychic events, "spook sessions", table levitation, and how he would receive "messages" from "discarnate" spirits.
Bill Wilson was clearly in contact with demons, and this is the man who created the deceptive twelve-step program.Make a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God, as we understood Him. (Step #11.) The last part of this statement ("as we understood Him") is enough to damn your soul! God says, Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.(Proverbs 3:5).
This is the exact opposite of "God as we understood Him." All men, according to Romans 1:18-32, are condemned before God, because they rely upon their own understanding (Romans 1:21; Ephesians 4:18, "having their understanding darkened"), and they create (in their own darkened minds) a god of their own making (Romans 1:23).
To encourage people to turn their "lives over to the care of God as we understood Him", is to encourage people to "turn their lives over to a god of their own making" (i.e. according to their own understanding).
This promotes nothing more than spiritual death (Revelation 22:15). In addition, these twelve steps are a deceitful attack against the saving work of the Lord Jesus Christ (i.e. they are against Christ, anti-Christ, 2 John 7; Colossians 2:8-10).
The twelve steps are (as Mr. Wilson used them) given as an answer (a way) in which one can overcome sin (with Mr. Wilson's case, the sin of drunkenness).
Jesus Christ is the ONLY answer for sin. He is the only way (John 14:6). There is only ONE "step", and that is faith in the Saviour (Ephesians 2:8/Matthew1:21/John 8:36/Romans10: 13!
The above exemplifies the "twelve steps" are what are used to "become free from addictive, compulsive" behaviour (i.e. sin). In other words, the twelve steps are the saviour!
No doubt it is deceptive, because "Biblical principles" are interwoven throughout; but if they weren't, few (if any) would be deceived. One good question to ask would be, "Where does Scripture talk about any 'twelve steps'"? The answer? Nowhere!These twelve steps come from Satan (via Bill Wilson), who is the master deceiver (Revelation 12:9). Remember, SATAN used Scripture to tempt Christ (Matthew 4:6), and Balaam spoke much truth (Numbers 23-24); but he was a false prophet (2 Peter 2:15-16/Numbers 22).
In Matthew 7:13-14 Jesus warned, Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Jesus likewise warned in Luke 13:24, Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
HOW IT JERKS:
ReplyDeleteRarely have we seen a person fail who thoroughly followed us home. Those who are not BRAINWASHED are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this garbage, usually men and women who are constitutionally capable of thinking for themselves.
There are such fortunate’s. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born premature. They are naturally capable of building and developing muscles, which demands rigorous training. Their chances are 6/4 on.
There are those, too, who are gravediggers and undertakers, but many of them do become ZOMBIES if they have the capacity to be dishonest.
Our stories disclose in a twisted way, who we like, what happened, and who we hate now. If you have decided you want a cup of tea and are willing to go to any lengths to become emotionally shutdown, SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILES - then you are ready to take certain steps.
At some of these we balked, we thought we could find someone to 13TH STEP, and we knew, we could. With all the madness at our command, we beg of you to become BILL WILSON CLONES - from the very start.
Some of us have tried to hold on to our BIG BOOKS and the result was nil until we let go of our SPONSORS.Remember that we deal with alcohol, frothy, bubbly, and powerful! without help it is too much for us. But there is one who has all power that one is the BARMAN. May you find Him now!
Half measures availed us nothing. We stood at the bar. We asked
The BARMAN for a couple of stiff vodka's.Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a program to INSANITY :1. We admitted we were powerless over COCA-COLA, and decided to drink PEPSI, instead.
2. Came to believe that COLD POWER was a detergent.
3. Made a decision to turn our heads when we saw an attractive BLONDE.4. Did a BODY SEARCH of the new members.
5. Admitted to our DOG, to elves, and to another super being the exact nature of our PONGS.6. Were entirely ready to have SUPERMAN remove the effects of kryptonite.
7. Humbly asked CLARK KENT to remove our brains.
8. Made a list of all persons who owed us money, and became willing to charge them interest.
9. Made direct HITS wherever possible, except when someone moved the target.
10. Continued to talk CRAP and when we were wrong, promptly talked more CRAP.11. Sought through our mail and computer to improve our conscious contact with BATMAN, as we understood him, praying only for knowledge of ROBIN and the return of SPIDERMAN.12. Having had a STROKE as the result of these steps, we tried to carry out the GARBAGE, and fell flat on our backs.
Many of us exclaimed, "What an order! I can't go through with it." Do not be discouraged. No one among us has been able to maintain their homes and 13th STEP the newcomers, at the same time.
We are not psychopaths. The point is that we are willing to become PSYCHOTIC, the principles we have set down are guides to psychosis. We claim that BILL WILSON was a PSYCHOPATH.Our description of the landscape, the chapter to the GNOSTIC, and our family photos before and after make clear three pertinent ideas:
(a) That we wereUGLY and could not manage our own appearance.
(b) That probably no PHOTOGRAPHER could have improved our looks.
(c) That a PLASTIC SURGEON could and would if he were sought.
BILL & BOB GO FISHING
ReplyDeleteDear Robert,
Have you tried fishing? Not your common or gardening angling, but “reel fishing”! Not with worms or artificial flies, but with “real meat”, like the 12
STEPS or the BIG BOOK.
We used to do it every summer…well! It was your summer and our winter. You’ve probably gathered that I live in Australia.
We’d hire this boat, quite a big one it was, Ethel and the kids, Bill 44 and Bob…he’d be 37 by now. We’d do a picnic basket – lovely it was, our 5th STEP, sobriety dates, drinking stories, a couple of bottles of lemonade and
the 12 x 12.And off we’d sail over the reef. The sun would beat down, often the sea would be as calm....no calmer than the 12th STEP and we’d just drift.
We’d put our lines over then and just wait – play AA TAPES, talk "crap," and ring our SPONSORS. Wonderful it was!
Mind you, Ethel, didn’t care for the bait, it was the smell you see and the sight of HOW IT WORKS cluttering up the deck. “Micky”, she’d say! “The AA PROGRAM is putting me off my dinner”!
Well, it didn’t bother me or the kids, it wasn’t like that, the, OXFORD GROUP had delivered it quite fresh but Ethel used to say that CHAPTER 5 “sneered” at her and made noises, offensive noises, when the gases escaped from its crap.
The kids loved that “Mum”! They’d say when it did it – “RARELY HAVE WE SEEN A ZOMBIE FAIL WHO HAS THOROUGHLY FOLLOWED OUR PATH”!Well she didn’t like that, not Ethel, strict SATANIST,she was, thought it was very disrespectful. She would go into one of her sulks and it would last for “bloody hours”.Mind you, she did get a bit more excited when BILL shared his story.
Well she had to with BILL "frothing at the mouth" and banging his fist against the side of the boat. And then there would be more....BOB got into the act, tearing chunks out of the 12 STEPS, "spitting everywhere," snapping at BILL.
But I don’t think she really approved, not Ethel. She said it was senseless 13th STEPPING. Well I suppose it was if you look at it that way! But there are lots of 12 STEP PROGRAMS aren’t, there, Bobby?
It went wrong when BIll did the 9th STEP! Huge it was, more like the 5th STEP, really. Again and again he raved on like a "psychopath," but he wouldn’t shut up. Clever “bugger”! He had learned you see.
Well I was determined that I was going to do a personal INVENTORY. I threw the BIG BOOK, all the picnic stuff in the water.
BILL went mad; I’d never seen him so upset. He tore the rod out of its restraints and hurled it in the water. I didn’t stop to think, that’s always been my problem, “being sober” – BILL followed the rod!
Well! He was gone in “two bites” and I didn’t catch the PROGRAM. It seemed to know; it sort of “grinned” at me and then just made off. BOB wasn’t too pleased either…he’d missed his "higher power!"
ONCE MORE
ReplyDeleteOnce more unto the meeting, dear STEPPERS, once more;
or close the Group up with our Chairman in bed.
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
as modest STEPPISM, and INSANITY :But when the blast of the “drunk-a-logs” blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the ZOMBIE;Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage;
Then lend the eye to HOW IT WORKS;Let it pry through the portage of the head
Like the brass cannon; let the mind be PROGRAMMED.As fearfully as doth a galled rock
Overhang and jutty his confounded base,
Swilled with the wild and wasteful SHAPE SHIFTING REPTILES.Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide
hold hard the breath and bend up every BRAIN CELLTo his full height.
On, on, you noble 12 STEPPERwhose mind is completely gone!
Fathers that, like so many PSYCHOPATHShave in these parts from morn till even fought
and sheathed their BIG BOOKS for lack of argument:
Dishonour not your SPONSORS ; now attest
that those whom you called “old-timers” did beget you.
Be copy now to men of grosser blood,
and teach them how to go INSANE.
And you, good woman,
Whose brain was altered with SATANISM, show us here
The mettle of your pasture; let us 13th STEP you
That you are worth your breeding; which I doubt not;
For there is none of you so mean and base,
That hath not noble LUST in your eyes.
I see you stand like BILL & BOB CLONES in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot:
Follow your SPONSOR, and upon this charge
cry “KEEP COMING BACK!” IT WORKS IF YOU WORK IT”!
THE 12 STEPS DOWN TO HELL
ReplyDelete12 Step recovery programs are a slow slide into the jaws of Satan. I was involved with the evil “satanic cult” [AA] for over 30 years but was saved through the POWER of JESUS CHRIST.He directed me to a counsellor who was into “real” recovery, not the mind destroying, soul destroying, cult, which is AA. I have met two Steppers recently & I imagine they are completely devoid of any emotion or insight.
I feel pain because both these men are decent human beings but AA has destroyed their "brain structure" & they have no idea how to relate apart from expounding AA propaganda.
I imagine Hell to be a continuous flow of AA meetings without any light at the end of the tunnel because one is never REDEEMED.
How is one REDEEMED, when one is handing one’s power over to AA. The 12 Steps were written out of Wilson’s head, he certainly didn’t get his guidance from the Bible.
I imagine he was an agent of SATAN & he & Smith’s “cult religion” has filled millions of Steppers with their ANTI-CHRIST propaganda.
Step Three of AA is "Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood him."While many in the Oxford Group placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, there was much leeway given.
Shoemaker, a leader of the Oxford Group, says, "The true meaning of faith is self-surrender to God."He further explains:
Surrender to whatever you know about Him, or believe must be the truth about Him. Surrender to Him, if necessary, in total ignorance of Him.
Far more important that you touch Him than that you understand Him at first. Put yourself in His hands. Whatever He is, as William James said, He is more ideal than we are. Make the leap. Give yourself to Him.
Aside from capitalizing the "H," which Christians do to refer to the God of the Bible, "Him" could refer to any god of one’s own making - BEDPAN!Can you see what is happening to you, Bobby? Ask JESUS to take control of your life, read the BIBLE & instead of 12 Step groups, go to Church. BURN your BIG BOOK or use it as TOILET PAPER.Can you see the difference: With The 12 Steps, one is being CONTROLLED by SATAN, but with JOHN 3:16 one is offered ETERNAL SALVATION. The “ball is in your court," Robert?
Dearest Robert,
ReplyDeleteI LOVE JESUS SO MUCH
I SHOULD NEVER HAVE ANY CAUSE OR REASON TO BE ASHAMED TO LOVE JESUS.
Is not the time coming, and the day hastening, when covetous men shall be ashamed of loving the world, and voluptuous men ashamed of loving their pleasures, and ambitious men ashamed of loving their honours?
For is it not a horrid shame, that a rational creature should be such a sot as to love sin which is most loathsome, and not to love Jesus who is most lovely? To love deformity, and not beauty?
Oh shame, shame! It is a shame that sin should have such esteem, and Jesus such great contempt put upon him.
But shame shall before long confound these now shameless wretches, when they shall cry out, "We are ashamed that we loved profits, and not Jesus- houses, lands, lusts, and not Jesus.
This is the confusion of our faces, and shame covers us-- that we should be so foolish, and so blind, that we had not sense, nor reason, to distinguish between sin, which is the greatest and most odious evil, and Jesus who is the greatest and most lovely good."
But the time will never come, the day will never be, that a gracious soul shall be ashamed of his sincere love to Jesus Christ. Repent!